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Hi Barry,

Thanks for taking the time to respond—genuinely. Thoughtful disagreement is how we actually get somewhere, and I respect that you're willing to dive in.

That said, I think some of your pushback kind of proves my original point. The Democratic Party says a lot of the right things—but when you hold them up to their own standards, the inconsistencies are hard to ignore. And when the response is “What are you talking about?” or “That’s a bumper sticker,” well... that’s not exactly a rebuttal.

Let’s unpack it:

Conservative students silenced?

Yes—repeatedly. Just ask FIRE (the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression), which has documented multiple cases of conservative speakers being shouted down, uninvited, or denied club recognition. College campuses are hardly neutral ground anymore.

Christian-owned businesses targeted?

Masterpiece Cakeshop and Baronelle Stutzman ring a bell? Both were dragged through the legal system for declining to use their artistic expression in ways that violated their religious beliefs. Agree or not, they were targeted because of their faith.

“Dissenters and the unpopular”?

This covers the growing list of people deplatformed, demonetized, or canceled for having the wrong opinion—on gender, COVID, the election, or even comedy. Ask comedians like Dave Chappelle or journalists like Bari Weiss and Matt Taibbi who’ve been run out of spaces they helped build.

Biden DOJ going after parents?

This isn’t speculative. The National School Boards Association asked the administration to look into “domestic terrorism,” and Merrick Garland issued a memo directing the FBI to get involved. That’s intimidation by design.

Obamacare = transparency?

I agree healthcare is complicated. But “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor” was a promise that didn’t pan out. Millions of Americans lost coverage or paid more. That’s not a bumper sticker—that’s personal for a lot of people.

COVID mandates and bodily autonomy?

You can support public health without pretending mandates didn’t go too far. People lost jobs, businesses, and access to services because they made a personal medical decision. That’s not a “God issue,” that’s a civil liberties issue.

Late-term abortion celebrated?

Yes, they are rare. But states like New York and California removed restrictions up to birth. What’s disturbing is how mainstream it has become to treat abortion as a symbol of empowerment instead of a deeply serious decision.

Hunter’s laptop = disinformation?

Nope. The FBI had it in 2019. Big Tech and the intel community dismissed it right before an election. It was real, and the suppression was coordinated. That matters, whether people want to admit it or not.

Clinton emails vs. Trump/Biden docs?

Hillary used private servers, deleted 33,000 subpoenaed emails, and smashed phones. Biden had classified docs in his garage and office for years. Trump was raided for resisting a subpoena—Biden was not. The double standard is plain as day.

Federalizing elections / Court-packing?

Let’s be clear—filling existing SCOTUS seats isn’t “packing.” Proposing to add seats (as many Democrats did) is. And bills like H.R.1 aimed to shift election control from states to the federal government. That’s a fact.

Social media censorship?

Twitter before Musk had direct lines with the FBI and DHS to flag content. That’s state-influenced censorship, not private moderation. What Musk does now may ruffle feathers, but it’s not being coordinated by government agencies.

Non-citizens voting?

San Francisco, NYC, and Washington D.C. have allowed non-citizens to vote in local elections. So no, it’s not false.

Election questioning = “insurrectionist”?

Funny how challenging 2020 is treason, but 2016 was “resistance.” You can’t rewrite the rules every cycle and expect people not to notice.

Barry, I know we won’t agree on every point. But I’m not tossing out bumper stickers—I’m pointing out patterns. Patterns that should concern anyone, no matter where they land politically.

I’ll keep bringing the facts. Hope you do too.

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Barry Moline's avatar

Jennifer - I’d say most of the accusations included here are extreme lefty. Just like saying that the KKK might be extreme right. Here’s a quick response to some of this. Responses in all caps to separate them from your original ones:

1. Equity for All… Unless You’re Conservative

Conservative students are silenced. NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN HERE. WHAT EXAMPLES DO YOU HAVE? I’M GUESSING YOU’RE THINKING CONSERVATIVE STUDENTS’ VOICES ARE SHUT DOWN ON LIBERAL CAMPUSES? STILL, IT’S AN ACCUSATION WITHOUT EVIDENCE.

Christian-owned businesses? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Targeted.

Anyone who challenges woke doctrine? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?Canceled—immediately.

2. Human Rights... Except for the Unborn, Dissenters, or the Unpopular. NOT SURE ABOUT DISSENTERS AND THE UNPOPULAR, WHATEVER THAT IS. REGARDING THE UNBORN, I DON’T LIKE ABORTION, BUT I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE A WOMEN’S RIGHT TO DECIDE. A RECENT PEW POLL SAYS THAT 63% OF CITIZENS SUPPORT A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE. NEVERTHELESS, IT’S A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE, I AGREE.

Biden DOJ went after parents at school board meetings. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

COVID mandates overruled basic bodily autonomy. GOD ISSUE HERE. THAT’S THE BALANCE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. COVID SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED DIFFERENTLY, BUT STILL WITH APPROPRIATE RULES, NOT LETTING THE VIRUS RUN AMUCK.

Meanwhile, late-term abortion is celebrated as empowerment. NOT TRUE. THESE ARE EXTREMELY RARE. CHEAP SHOT. ONLY DONE WHEN MOTHERS LIFE IS IN DANGER.

3. Healthcare for All... But Not Transparency

Obamacare passed on lies: “Keep your doctor” anyone?

Premiums skyrocketed for the middle class. HEALTHCARE IS A TOUGH SUBJECT. SEEMS LIKE CONSERVATIVES ARE OK WITH SOME PEOPLE HAVING HEALTH CARE AND OTHERS NOT. WOULD BE A BETTER CONVERSATION WITH LOTS OF DETAIL, NOT A BUMPER STICKER ACCUSATION.

4. Climate Justice... Unless You’re a Democrat Celebrity

John Kerry, Al Gore, and Hollywood fly private jets to climate summits while lecturing you about your gas stove. AGREE, DEMS GO TO GATE WITH CLIMATE ACTION. THERE’S LOTS OF GOOD IDEAS OUT THERE.

5. Government Transparency... Like Hunter’s Laptop? THAT IS ANOTHER BUMPER STICKER. HOW ABOUT TRUMP ENRICHING HIMSELF WITH BILLIONS IN CRYPTO AND PLANES, ETC? IS THAT OK WITH CONSERVATIVES?

Suppressed. Buried. Discredited. Later verified—no apologies.

Democrats and Big Tech coordinated to silence it before the 2020 election. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

6. Justice Reform... Unless It Involves Themselves

Hillary Clinton: Deleted 33,000 emails under subpoena—nothing. HEGSETH COMMUNICATED WAR PLANS ON SIGNAL FOR GOD’S SAKE! TO A REPORTER NO LESS.

Biden: Classified documents in a garage—shrug.

Trump: Raided, indicted, investigated non-stop. HERE’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRUMP AND BIDEN. BIDEN RETURNED THE DOCS WHEN FOUND. TRUMP HID AND FOUGHT RETURNING THEM UNTIL THE FBI CAME IN.

7. Defending Democracy... By Redefining It

Attempted to federalize elections. WHAT?

Wanted to pack the Supreme Court. THAT’S WHAT CONSERVATIVES HAVE DONE!

Pushed censorship of opposing views on social media. THAT’S WHAT MUSK IS DOING ON TWITTER FOR CONSERVATIVES!

Labeled political opponents “threats to democracy.” ARE YOU QUOTING TRUMP HERE? THAT’S WHAT HE’S SAID!

8. Voting Rights... Unless You Vote the ‘Wrong’ Way

They claim to protect voting rights—but only when the results go their way. NOT TRUE

Oppose voter ID laws (because showing ID is now “oppression”). VOTER ID LAWS ARE GOOD WHEN THEY MAKE SENSE AND DON’T EXCLUDE.

Support non-citizens voting in local elections. FALSE

And if you question an election? You’re branded an “insurrectionist.” WON’T EVEN BOTHER WITH THIS ONE

Unless it’s 2016—then it was just “brave resistance.”

BUTTON LINE: CHECK YOUR FACTS, AND STOP THE BUMPER STICKER ACCUSATIONS. IT’S NOT HELPING HEALTHY DEBATE.

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